Intel 13/14 Gen Fail

[SEndero Luminoso]

Como que esto ya merece un topic y no seguir dándole al otro general, meto recap...

[SEndero Luminoso]

Intel Processor Instability Causing Oodle Decompression Failures - https://www.radgametools.com/oodleintel.htm

RAD has become aware of a problem that can cause Oodle Data decompression failures, or crashes in games built with Unreal. We believe that this is a hardware problem which affects primarily Intel 13900K and 14900K processors, less likely 13700, 14700 and other related processors as well. Only a small fraction of those processors will exhibit this behavior. The problem seems to be caused by a combination of BIOS settings and the high clock rates and power usage of these processors, leading to system instability and unpredictable behavior under heavy load.

Intel responds to reported laptop CPU instability problems - https://www.digitaltrends.com/comput...ds-to-laptops/

Intel is aware of a small number of instability reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen mobile processors. Based on our in-depth analysis of the reported Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processor instability issues, Intel has determined that mobile products are not exposed to the same issue. The symptoms being reported on 13th/14th Gen mobile systems – including system hangs and crashes – are common symptoms stemming from a broad range of potential software and hardware issues. As always, if users are experiencing issues with their Intel-powered laptops we encourage them to reach out to the system manufacturer for further assistance

What Intel didn’t write on Reddit but thinks internally / The search for the solution to the Raptor Lake S instabilities continues (Leak) - https://www.igorslab.de/en/search-fo...ies-continues/

– This microcode update, once validated and released, may not address existing systems in the field with instability symptoms.
– Systems which continue to exhibit symptoms associated with this issue should have the processor returned to Intel for RMA.

https://new.reddit.com/user/Matt_AlderonGames/

[SEndero Luminoso]

Lo ultimo en la saga, salidito hoy...

There is no fix for Intel’s crashing 13th and 14th Gen CPUs, any damage is permanent - https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/26/2...pu-voltage-q-a

Will Intel issue a recall?

No.

Has Intel halted sales and / or performed any channel inventory recalls while it validates the update?

No.

Will Intel extend its warranty on these 13th Gen and 14th Gen parts, and for how long?

[No answer yet.]

Given how difficult this issue was for Intel to pin down, what proof will customers need to share to obtain an RMA? (How lenient will Intel be?)

[No answer yet.]

[enrokike]

[No answer yet.] Sin palabras...esas cosas las tendrían que hacer sin chistar.

[Master of the Wind]

Encima en EEUU, el pais de las demandas por respirarle a alguien arriba

[Galas]

Afecta otros aparte de los CPUs mas porongudos? o solo i9

[MgV]

https://www.digitaltrends.com/comput...e-instability/

[SEndero Luminoso]

Afecta otros aparte de los CPUs mas porongudos? o solo i9

En realidad en un principio era cualquier cosa i7/i9 KXX (hasta laptops), y justo había visto lo que preguntas pero no lo puse... todos lo que sea 65w pa arriba (incluido laptops)

The elevated voltages could potentially affect any 13th or 14th Gen desktop processor that consumes 65W or more power, not just the highest i9-series chips that initially seemed to be experiencing the issue.

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How many chips does Intel estimate are likely to be irreversibly impacted by these issues?

Intel Core 13th and 14th Generation desktop processors with 65W or higher base power – including K/KF/KS and 65W non-K variants – could be affected by the elevated voltages issue. However, this does not mean that all processors listed are (or will be) impacted by the elevated voltages issue. Intel continues validation to ensure that scenarios of instability reported to Intel regarding its Core 13th and 14th Gen desktop processors are addressed. For customers who are or have been experiencing instability symptoms on their 13th and/or 14th Gen desktop processors, Intel continues advising them to reach out to Intel Customer Support for further assistance. Additionally, if customers have experienced these instability symptoms on their 13th and/or 14th Gen desktop processors but had RMA [return merchandise authorization] requests rejected we ask that they reach out to Intel Customer Support for further assistance and remediation.

[SEndero Luminoso]

Encima en EEUU, el pais de las demandas por respirarle a alguien arriba

Pero tate seguro que ya hay un par de estudios de abogados sacandole punta los lapices, se les viene unas demandas grupales a Intel que van a estar ricas. Posiblemente algún que otro Estado/País, la EU seguro ya esta redactando una linda multa.

[Galas]

en un principio era cualquier cosa i7/i9 kxx (hasta laptops), justo había visto eso pero no lo puse... Todos lo que sea 65w pa arriba (incluido laptops)

alv

[enrokike]

Lo bueno de todo esto es que uno(o dos) de esos i9 de segunda mano van a entrar por franquicia.

[ShonaZan]

va a estar lindo para revender un clavo de esos usado

[CYRU5]

Llegué a plantearme pegar el salto a un 14700K ... menos mal ni me moví. Para peor (irónicamente) me llevé uno de "esos" 1eros 12700K con AVX-512 que luego discontinuaron.

Es claro que el salto hay que darlo a AMD ... les va a costar mucho levantarse de esta.

[REN]

Una bosta, si.
Encima AMD ya le está tirando la serie 9000 por las dudas.

Btw, hacía como 5 años que no teníamos un thread de estos.

[REN]

Veremos si Arrow Lake sirve para algo... pero ya no sé. Estas desgracias no vienen solas.

[SEndero Luminoso]

Una bosta, si.
Encima AMD ya le está tirando la serie 9000 por las dudas.

Btw, hacía como 5 años que no teníamos un thread de estos.

Justo hoy salieron un montón de reviews de las versiones móviles (Strix Point) y parece que es una carnicería. Por ejemplo Asus en su mejor linea, la ProArt no va a sacar versión con Intel solo con AMD o Qualcomm.

https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryzen-ai-9-hx-370

https://www.anandtech.com/show/21485...-hx-370-review

https://www.computerbase.de/2024-07/...ook-s-16-test/

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ze....868641.0.html

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ze....868475.0.html

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-P....868429.0.html

[SEndero Luminoso]

Primera demanda/juicio colectivo ya se esta armando...

https://videocardz.com/newz/intels-r...-investigation

What we know (based on official info and Intel responses to media):

Intel has admitted the instability problem and the investigation is ongoing
Intel admitted that certain batch of CPUs was affected by via oxidation issue
Intel will release a microcode update in mid-August which may or may not resolve the problem
The microcode update will not fix already degraded CPUs
Intel claims the microcode update will not affect performance
Intel is not confirming whether mobile chips (including H and HX variants) are affected
Intel will not issue a recall
Users should use Intel Default Settings, which are now included into latest BIOS updates
Intel asks users whose CPUs are affected to contact Intel consumer support

Plus...

https://x.com/GamersNexus/status/1818812893846184135

[yonathan1250]

Y ahora 15mil despidos, veremos la caída del gigante???

[enrokike]

Como mucha cosa que se ve en internet , a tomarlo con pinzas:
https://old.reddit.com/r/hardware/co...y_14900k_rmas/
Si eso es verdad , ya vamos a ver algún video de GN hablando del asunto y bueno... los dos años extra que van a dar de garantía es lo mismo que la nada si no se van a hacer cargo.


Esto si es oficial , una locura y mas con la poca y nada confianza que se le puede dar a intel en estos dias:

"IMPORTANT NOTICE: Only genuine Intel® products are eligible for warranty support, subject to Intel's limited warranty terms. Please be advised as part of Intel's ongoing efforts to prevent fraud in the marketplace, in the event the product you submit for warranty support is found to be re-marked or otherwise fraudulent product, Intel reserves the rights to retain the product and/or destroy such product as appropriate."
https://supporttickets.intel.com/s/w...language=en_US

[SEndero Luminoso]

Y ahora 15mil despidos, veremos la caída del gigante???

No, eso es mayoritariamente 2 cosas, es una empresa gigante y que es la forma mas simple de mantener gente con acciones felices porque temporalmente tira mas numero en negro vs rojo. Técnicamente Intel puede perder esos 15/20000 empleados y ser todos de marketing, Intel tiene unos 125000 empleados y va a despedir la cantidad de empleados que tiene AMD 15500 y AMD tan solo con esos 15500 puede competirle a Intel y a Nvidia, asi que tecnicamente Intel puede depsedir muchisimo mas y ser competitivo sin problemas.

Lo que si es que de igual manera el mercado reacciono mal y bajo un 30% las acciones, pero todo el mercado de acciones esta a la baja en realidad porque se teme una recesión (hasta Nvidia bajo como un 2%), el valor de las acciones de ARM tambien bajo un 25% estos días. Lo que no pego para nada bien es el hecho de que hayan (Intel) suspendido los dividendos de las acciones, eso no ayudo para nada.

https://www.techpowerup.com/325151/i...shares-fall-20

https://www.techpowerup.com/325174/i...rterly-results







Una de las cosas preocupantes también es que parece que están quemando waffers a cara de perro, tiene un yields horribles, por lo cual los margenes y producción que están teniendo son mucho menores, parte en la cual por la cual han tenido que recurrir a terceros (tsmc y samsung)

https://www.anandtech.com/show/21497...n-short-supply

Alongside Intel’s weak Q2 2024 earnings report and the announcement of $10 billion in spending cuts and layoffs for 2025, the company is also disclosing some new information about their chip deliveries over the first half of the year. A brief report, posted on X by analyst Patrick Moorhead and citing a conversation with Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger, revealed that Intel encountered a major production bottleneck on Meteor Lake earlier this year. The issue was significant enough to drive intel to take the extraordinary and costly step of accelerating their Ireland fab ramp-up in order to improve chip capacity.